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One week after this remarkable meeting, Gregory again called us to his home and urged us to put our modeling skills inservice of a dream he had carried for decades. In the '30's, married to Margaret Mead, and during the preparation for doing joint anthropological field work in Bali, the two of them had recognized the need to educate themselves onthe fundamentals of altered states of consciousness. It had already been well documented that the Balinese officially enter trance states as a normal socially expected and accepted way of achieving the performance states involvedin certain artistic activities such as dance. After making extensive enquiries, they learned of a renegade physician psychiatrist who had the reputation forbeing the most skillful of the practitioners of medical hypnosis, Dr. Milton H.Erickson. Their time spent with Dr. Milton Erickson had convinced Gregory ofthe man's genius in unconscious communication. Many years ater when Gregory was heading up the MRI investigations, he dispatched a umber of members of hisresearch group including Jay Haley and John Weakland to Phoenix where Dr. Erickson lived and practiced his arcane arts. As Gregory sald wryly during this conversation with a bemused look,

¡¡They all returned entranced by theirexperiences of the old man!

By this time, Richard and I had some familiarity with Erickson's through reading some of his published work and had already determined that we would seek access to this remarkable man. Richard immediately responded that he was prepared to leave now for Phoenix. Imagine my surprise to hear my voice uttering the words,

Thanks, Gregory, but I'm notready to do the modeling of Erickson yet.


We assured Gregory that we would do the model but not yet. Richard did not understand my hesitation - how could he, when I, myself, couldnot articulate it. I knew enough not to go... yet.

More than three months passed before I succeeded in sorting myself out and achieved a state of congruity about going to Phoenix. Richard was delighted - we called Gregory who likewise expressed genuine pleasure at e news. He confidently told us to go ahead andget on a plane - he would meanwhile call Dr. Erickson and make the arrangements. He instructed us to call as soon as we got to Phoenix. We arrived the followingday in Phoenix, checked into a suite at one of the chain hotels there andcalled Gregory. To our dismay, he explained that he had spoken to Erickson and that while he was quite interested in meeting us, he had just finished the annual meeting of the Society for Clinical Hypnosis - a taxing event for himand that he was sequestered with his three closest students for the next few days. 

We finished the phone call, looked at one another and went to work. We took a copy of the bible (Advanced Techniques of Hypnosis and Therapy, a richcompendium of articles written by Dr. Erickson with Jay Haley acting as editor) and located a number of trance inductions inside various articles. We readthese inductions to one another for the next hour or so until we agreed on howto extract from the patterning what we believed we would need for our purposes. We spent several hours analyzing these inductions, sorting through its various patterns until we thought we had a template. The distinctions in the meta modeland the fact that Erickson's work is so well done made it quite easy to sortthe content from the form. In all the content spaces we removed material Erickson had used to elicit the res ponses appropriate for the client involvedand inserted variants of the two messages we wished to present to Dr. Erickson:

¡¡Make time now!
¡¡
¡¡See us now!

And sometimes daringly enough even

¡¡Make time to seeus now!

We wrote out portions of the transformed version of Erickson's own inductions with the new messages embedded. We then flipped a coin. I won - I was the one who got to do the induction on the phone with Dr Erickson. I insisted that Richard listen on the phone that was in the bathroom, out of my line ofsight with a washcloth stuffed in his mouth. Doing this task would require allthe focus I had - I neither needed nor wanted any distractions from Bandler - not in the form oflaughter or even giggles.

I placed the call to the number that Bateson hadgiven us - Richard picked up the other phone in the bathroom. After convincing Betty Erickson, Milton's wife, and a very good hypnotist in her own right, that her husband really did want to talk to me, I heard a deep riveting voicespoke into my ear,

¡¡Yeeees, this is Dr. Erickson.

I could clearly hear hisbreathing and I said,

¡¡Dr. Erickson, this is John Grinder - Gregory Bateson sent me.

and without pausing, I began the induction. For two and a half minutes (wehad timed it before the call), I moved through the induction containing the messages we had inserted, using to the best of my then quite limited knowledgethe master's own patterns. I was greatly encouraged by the slowing of his breathing and his continued acceptance by his silence of the induction I was presenting. I finished the induction by slowing my voice and simply finallystopping. A good 30 to 45 seconds followed (an eternity for me), then there wasa quickening in his breathing and he simply said,

¡¡"You boys come over hereimmediately!" 

The succeeding 10 months were filled with strange and wonderful experiences - we would spend 3 to 4 days with Erickson in Phoenix watching, listening and modeling him with micro muscle movement as he worked with his patients. Then we would rush back to California to torture anyone whocame within hearing distance with the patterning we were obsessively attemptingto master.

Hours daily were devoted to disciplined practice, both in official contexts and in any context that presented itself - the waiter fixing the Caesar salad at our table suddenly found his feet were glued to the floor and wasunable to walk away.

Then there was the woman who had the good fortune to occupy the center seat between the two of us on a flight to Phoenix. She began thetrip sneezing and coughing and finished without a symptom and all we did wasalk to one another past her quietly about the dry desert air and its healing qualities.

We arranged re-induction signals with our clients once we had convinced ourselves that we had mastered the induction phase of the hypnotic encounter to save time since we wanted now to focus on utilization of altered states. Everything was hypnosis, nothing was hypnosis, the roof creaked, the floor trembled!

We were quite disciplined in refusing to attempt any overt analysis - it had been clear to us even before meeting Erickson directly that some of the syntactic variables that informed the meta model were involved in some interesting way with the linguistic patterning ofthis genius. However, we rejected any explication until we were satisfied withour behavioral competency in eliciting the same responses from our own clients that Erickson had both unselfishly demonstrated to us in Phoenix and had socarefully detailed in his articles. We set out to reproduce every hypnoticeffect in the bible (Advanced Techniques of Hypnosis and Therapy) as well asthose we had observed first hand - we were flaming zealots.

As before, Richardwas ready before I-three times he proposed that we write it - the first volumeof what came to be known as Patterns of the Hypnotic Techniques of Milton H.Erickson, M. D.  - and three times my response was, Not yet, bro'

Once I had achieved the internal congruency, the actual writing of the first draft of theb ook (volume I of Patterns of the Hypnotic Techniques of Milton H. Erickson,M.D.) by Bandler and myself was accomplished in a single marathon of some 36hours - the subsequent clean up and polishing less than 8 hours.

¡Ê'Whispering in the Wind' p.175-178¡Ë

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John Grinder 
Carmen Bostic St. Clair
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1975, Bandler, Grinder and Bateson all had their individual residences at 1000 Alba Road, Ben Lomand,California. The manuseript version of what would be published later that year as The Structure of Magic, volume I had been circulating among an excited group of people who had collected around the three men, Bandler, Grinder and Pucelik and who were assisting them with their research. Bateson had been provided with a copy of this manuscript some weeks earlier - Grinder and Bandler hoped that he would recognize what they had attempted to accomplish. Their hopes were more than met when they were invited by phone to come over to Bateson's place where they were treated to an intellectual feast - a remarkable and stimulating discussion with Bateson that lasted hours.

Gregory had a long wooden table in his dining room - one worthy of a mythical Norseman, rough-hewn of dark wood and sturdy. Gregory pointedly positioned himself at one end of this monstrosity as if conducting court and indicated to the two younger men to seat themselves immediately at his right (Grinder) and left (Bandler). The conversation that ensued was enchanting. It is noteworthy (and it seemed so even at the time to Grinder and Bandler) that Bateson's command of the patterning worked up in themanuscript was so complete that little time was spent on actually discussingit.

Gregory offered a soliloquy, in large part reminiscences of the research he and his colleagues at MRI had conducted and then a strangely semi-apologetic rendering of (as he later clearly stated in his Introduction to The Structureof Magic) how he and his associates could have missed what we had, in fact, discovered and coded in the book - "how well the argument flowed from the linguistics, how confusing it had been to attempt what he had done starting with pathology and cultural patterns." He graciously offered to write an Introduction to the book and then, as if rousing himself from an old and repetitive dream no longer of relevance, he fixed each of us in turn with his deep intellectually unforgiving eyes glinting with curiosity and intelligence and said

OK, boys, what you have done is very good, but I am certain that¡¡what's in The Structure of Magic happened some time ago - my question is whathave you found since coding the meta model.

We were enchanted - here was a man, easily recognizable as an intellectual glant, who understood well enough what we were about, to leap to the new ets of patterning that were obsessing us atthe time.

 

¡¡Well done and...

Richard and I listened to his question in awe, looked at one another with perfect agreement, paused like cliff divers tomark the importance of that point of punctuation in experience before committing and then released a great wave of descriptions that flowed from uswithout effort.

Buoyant now, Gregory orchestrated us beautifully - he would sitlistening intently to the two of us as we rushed forward into the patterning as if pursued. Sometimes one of us spoke, sometimes the other, sometimes both of us simultaneously as if attempting to fill his vast intelligence with our observations. He sat there between us, his eyes fixed at that special pointabove the horizon, processing thoroughly the reports of months of our work.

From time to time, he would freeze the cascade, breaking the spell, leaning back in his chair, dropping his gaze to point on the great table forward and tohis left, shaping the question that would guide these two madmen into shallower water - the question that would complete the pattern that connects in his rich internal kingdom, assembled over 7 decades of participation with intelligencein the world about him, the answer he wanted to continue his incomprehensible process.

We were like two dogs, attempting to guide their master to where they believed he wanted to go, sometimes dashing on ahead, sometimes nipping at hisheels, always attentive to his cues, always loyal to his intention.

The three of us arrived together then finally at the end of our long climb, exhausted and exhilarated. We sat back now, more thoughtful, no longer driven into the new,and presently curious about the now.

There was a new tone in his rich voice - one suggesting deeper emotions than thus far expressed. The sharp edge of his intelligence that had flashed brilliantly throughout the long climb was sheathed. No doubt,among the dozens of case studies, the life stories, each with its own compelling set of metaphors, something had stirred deep within him for the first time in a long time. He quietly recounted certain events from his youth, the loss of his dear brother John and of choices in Switzerland not pursued - all as if musing to himself, comfortable in our attentive, but passive presence. He worked it out finally then to his own requirements; and turned his attentiononce again to us.

His counsel now rolled softly from him to us, areciprocal wave, but more refined and precise. He spoke of many things in thisway - I will mention but two:

He asked how long we had been working together, collaborating. We responded, "Three years about" - He urged us tosavor every moment as such productive and revolutionary collaborations were rare occurrences and often short lived. Richard and I caught each other's eye,confirming with a twinkle the confidence that only comes with certain knowledge of immortality and an irrevocably granted exception from the patterns other members of the species labored under.

He asked who else we had presentedthese post Magic I patterns to - we replied, "To no one other thanyou." He indicated he was unsure of what positive steps to take but hefinished his advice by pointing out that

¡¡....they burned Joan of Arc for lessthan you have presented me here this afternoon.

¡Ê'Whispering in the Wind' p.173-175¡Ë

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Whispering In The Wind
John Grinder 
Carmen Bostic St. Clair
2001-12-31



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